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Tuesday, September 25, 2007

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Kami

Thanks for sharing.

mihow

Is this something I should remove my pictures from Flickr over? My mother warned me about this. I think I might remove them.

ben

What am I missing on this? Why do people care if a bunch of nit wits take photos from someplace and use them. It's not like they're making a mint or anything - they're just being idiots.

I've never understood this whole "It's mine!" thing on the net. Sure - I'd be pissed if someone took my photos, opened a gallery and retired off them in 2 months (although - on second thought - I probably wouldn't be that pissed - kind of nice of them to do a test market :). But, if someone copies my photos and uses them in a blog, a profile, whatever... so what? Even if they claim credit for it.

I guess - if people have a problem with this none of their stuff should be public... which kind of defeats the whole purpose of blogs, flickr, etc.

On a side note, having dealt with Google's "customer support"... good luck - I wouldn't waste your time, seriously, unless it's a really, really serious issue (like someone hacking your gmail account and using all the info stored there for 5 years to go destroy your life - and even that took close 5 days to resolve).

Sarah

I'm not sure how to even respond to this, Ben. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. Maybe if you had a kid you'd get it??

Read the text on the photo I posted. That is an actual quote from the fake profile set up using that kid's image. That doesn't even matter, really. Stealing is stealing. Blaming the people whose images are being stolen because they posted them in the first place is bullshit. I can equate that with blaming a woman for her rape because she wore a short skirt! Extreme analogy?? Maybe.

But people want to share their photos with each other. Many of the people whose images have been stolen are professional children's photographers or trying to be one! They direct clients to see their photos.

Aside from all of this is the fact that fucking Orkut is supposed to be for users 18 years or older, yet they allow all these kid photos to be used as profile pictures. How fucking blatantly stupid is that?!

Julie

You know what? This pisses me off TO NO END and I am not even yet a mother. I'd like to know that when I do have kids, I can comfortably post pictures of them without having some sick freak steal them.

I will call/write/etc. but I also urge all of the mothers who have found their kids on this site to note the exact location of the stolen pictures and consider hiring a lawyer for a class action suit against Orkut.

EVEN IF IT'S YOUR KID you shouldn't be able to post profiles for them so if they ask how to draw the line, I'd say draw it by deleting profiles containing pictures of children. What does a five-year-old need with a profile on some website? Come on now.

Myra

how do you go about searching orkut? I'm completely lost. I signed up and did some searching, but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

mar

It's not even just Orkut. People are stealing pictures of other people's kids and using them commercially, without notice, consent or permission. Dutch over at Sweet Juniper http://www.sweet-juniper.com/ just had this happen to him with Babble. http://flickr.com/photos/sweetjuniper/1398158017/
They shouldn't mess with Dutch - he's a lawyer! :-)

But seriously, it's sad - we want to be able to post pictures of our kids, it shouldn't be this hard. And Google, software giant, can't screen out profiles by age? Sorry, I just don't believe that.

Thanks for the contact info Sarah - I'm on it!

Christina

I'm with Myra, I signed up and tried to search, but I think I may be doing something wrong.

Where should I start?

Thank you~

Sarah

Myra and Christina,

Unfortunately there is no easy way to find out if your photos are being used on there. In reality, any photos we share on the Internet could be all sorts of places without us knowing. Sad, but true.

The best way to search is to go to one of these communities for 'fakes' and start looking through the members (on the right-hand side). Also can look at people's contacts when at an individual profile. It is exhausting. So many kid profiles up there when users are supposed to be 18!

Here's a link to one of the communities:
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=38614619

Also, if you have a Flickr account (they seem to steal from Flickr a LOT), you can request to join this group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/nofakes/
In the group there is now a master list of confirmed Flickr users whose images have been stolen.

Mar, I know. It is sad. And yeah, I guess we should "know better" though I am sick of people coming to comment in all the threads on Flickr about this with that condescending attitude! Not you! I am just saying in general. :-)

ben

Sarah - didn't mean to be offensive. But, I still don't understand.

The net, while semi-permanent, is really only relevant short term. So, again, I don't see why getting all worked up over a bunch of nit-wits is any different than acknowledging the attention seeking brat in children's groups.

In the picture you posted.. I can only imagine what they're trying to illicit, but, if it's sexual, deviant, etc - at least it's make believe and doesn't actually involve kids (i.e. literal erotica).

As for confirming ages... I can actually commiserate with this problem. Sites grow and fail by sign-ups. You need to make it as easy as possible to sign up and contribute... a lost member is like a lost sale (in terms of resale/vc investment). There are no definitive ways (especially on a global level) to confirm one's age on the net. The closest the porn sites have come is asking for your birthday or asking for your credit card number. Asking for your age is easily broken (just lie). Asking for your credit card number will loose tons of customers (don't believe, email me your credit card number :).

Anyway - I think it's "wrong" for companies to take your pictures and use them for X but, there's really no getting around this other than a massively "open-soruce" concept.

faye

Ben, if you don't understand, then why bother to post anything here? All you are doing is adding insult to injury. It's her daughter, it's her picture and she's allowed to be upset by it. She shouldn't have to explain why or argue her position with you.

In regards to your comments about confirming ages, having previously worked for a retailer who sold adult material online, I find your statements to be completely off the mark. Credible adult retailers recognize there is a lot of money to be made by selling adult material to ADULTS. They're not looking to make loads of cash selling to MINORS. That's like saying it's ridiculous to ask for ID when someone buys liquor or cigarettes -- "look at all the sales you could lose!"

Regardless, it's not the age verification process that is in question. It's the hundreds of profiles that are clearly fake and using images of minors. It's not difficult for Google to hire a handful of people to look through accounts for profiles of young children. In the group Sarah linked to above, there's dozens of them, and if you look at their friends there's hundreds of them. A simple glance at the profile image and its obvious these kids are under 18.

Where is the line drawn? According to your post it appears to be naked images of children (literal erotica). You're entitled to that opinion. And Sarah's entitled to hers. She's decided that the line has already been crossed. When pictures of your own children appear in a "make believe" profile, you're welcome to sit back and wait until some naked ones show up online.

Krista Neher

I work with a new Photo sharing site - www.photrade.com. We have watermarking image protection as a user option to help you protect your photos (a suggestion from parent bloggers). Its easy to use and you can still post the photos in your blog and share them with friends and family. Check it out - we'd love to know what you think!

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